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but the president has chosen chuck hagel or is, i guess, going to choose chuck hagel. and chuck hagel isn't going to be working for himself. he's not going to be freelancing as a senator as he was when he made these misstatements which i suspect have upset senator graham and other members of the senate who might be concerned about some of the things he said in the past. he'll be working for the president. when working for the president you follow the president's policies. i don't see this prior statement as being -- first off, they may -- they may have been wrong. he may have made some statements which were inappropriate, as he did. but everybody does, i guess. and now he's going to be working for the president. and carrying the president's policies forward. i think he'll probably carry them forward rather effectively. the thing i like about chuck, and i've known him for a long time. we had our differences when we were in the senate to say the least because he's a pretty strong personality. but i like the fact that he thinks outside the box. the defense department is g
but the president has chosen chuck hagel or is, i guess, going to choose chuck hagel. and chuck hagel isn't going to be working for himself. he's not going to be freelancing as a senator as he was when he made these misstatements which i suspect have upset senator graham and other members of the senate who might be concerned about some of the things he said in the past. he'll be working for the president. when working for the president you follow the president's policies. i don't see this prior...
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. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot. >> president obama nominates chuck hagel as defense secretary, and conservatives are fuming. >> positions that he has taken over the years will be, i think very much a matter of discussion. >> this is an in-your-face nomination by the president. >> if hagel is nominated, it is very difficult to imagine circumstance in which i could support his confirmation. >> admiral joe sestak and richard wolffe are here on the road to confirmation and what this could mean for defense cuts. >>> republicans are coming out for the government shutdown. >> you think that's a good idea? >> yes, i do. >> you really do? >> yes. >> john nichols on their backwards reasoning. >>> mcdonnell doesn't mind another hostage situation for the deficit, at the expense of the most vulnerable. david cay johnston lays out the gop fabricated spending problem ahead. >>> the opposition on gun control reaches heated extremes. >> i don't think the federal government has any business having a list of
. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot. >> president obama nominates chuck hagel as defense secretary, and conservatives are fuming. >> positions that he has taken over the years will be, i think very much a matter of discussion. >> this is an in-your-face nomination by the president. >> if hagel is nominated, it is very difficult to imagine circumstance in which i could support his confirmation. >> admiral joe...
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there are realists and chuck hagel comes from that camp. and then there are the neo-conservatives, lindsey graham start from south carolina, bill kristol more of that camp. chuck hagel opposed the surge in iraq quite vocally in 2007 and for that he has been seen as a bit an outlier in foreign policy republican foreign policy circles. we're going to see this play out in the next several weeks. >> john: let's talk about the specific controversy. what is chuck hagel's specific record when it comes to israel. >> he has been a long and historyic supporter. he has voted for sanctions against iran and advocateed for diplomat i canic approaches. this mirrors what the american people want. he has consistently supported aide to israel's military and he has great credibility amongst israeli leadership and even the israeli government said last night they don't want to get in the middle of this fight. this is something for the american people to decide, but his record with israel, and we'll see during these hearings will come out and it will be very str
there are realists and chuck hagel comes from that camp. and then there are the neo-conservatives, lindsey graham start from south carolina, bill kristol more of that camp. chuck hagel opposed the surge in iraq quite vocally in 2007 and for that he has been seen as a bit an outlier in foreign policy republican foreign policy circles. we're going to see this play out in the next several weeks. >> john: let's talk about the specific controversy. what is chuck hagel's specific record when it...
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republican senator lindsey graham is no fan of chuck hagel. >> chuck hagel, if confirmed to be secretary of defense, would be the most an tag aning to antagonistic. he has said not only must we negotiate with hamas this is an in your face nomination to all of us who are supportive of israel. >> anti-hagel television ads are now airing. >> while president obama says all options are on the table for prevent ago nuclear iran, hagel says military action is not a viable, feasible responsible option. president obama, secretary of defense chuck hagel is not a responsible option. >> question. would president obama have nominated hagel if president obama truly believed that hagel was anti-israel? pat. >> no, he would not. and hagel is not anti-israel. what he is, he puts his own country first, and he's tired of these resolutions the israeli lobby brings up and tells him to sign on. this is a gay, john, who has fought for his country and bled for his country and puts his own country first. he does believe in this. like nixon, like ike, like reagan, like bush i, he believes in talking to our advers
republican senator lindsey graham is no fan of chuck hagel. >> chuck hagel, if confirmed to be secretary of defense, would be the most an tag aning to antagonistic. he has said not only must we negotiate with hamas this is an in your face nomination to all of us who are supportive of israel. >> anti-hagel television ads are now airing. >> while president obama says all options are on the table for prevent ago nuclear iran, hagel says military action is not a viable, feasible...
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you now have chuck hagel, someone that obama worked closely with in the u.s. senate and he's been an adviser to him now in the white house and then john brennan at cia, someone who's been by his side for four years. >> what is the strategy? first read mentions jack reid and the statement praising chuck hagel. what's the strategy? you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the white house that the susan rice and john kerry were pretty much tied folks going in to that state department gig. president obama going with john kerry but you are seeing the white house going for a full throttled fight to get and to win chuck hagel and n
you now have chuck hagel, someone that obama worked closely with in the u.s. senate and he's been an adviser to him now in the white house and then john brennan at cia, someone who's been by his side for four years. >> what is the strategy? first read mentions jack reid and the statement praising chuck hagel. what's the strategy? you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as...
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>> so much better on gay rights than chuck hagel is. does anyone seriously think that the obama administration, because it has chuck hagel there, is not committed now -- >> it is not just republicans is what i am saying. chuck schumer has been very step tepid in his support for him. >> because chuck schumer, on these types of middle east questions, is closer to lindsay graham and john mccain than he is to in many ways to barack obama. >> many senators, democrats and republicans, are further away than chuck hagel than many senators are. >> listen. how many people agree with your point of view is not the test of that point of view's validity. most people, it turns out in this case, were actually wrong in very, very big ways about critical decisions that costs the u.s. this is what frustrates me when people say chuck hagel is out of the mainstream. the people in congress who had the good sense to oppose the iraq war and raise questions, were out of the mainstream, and darn right, i actually want that in a secretary of defense. somebody who
>> so much better on gay rights than chuck hagel is. does anyone seriously think that the obama administration, because it has chuck hagel there, is not committed now -- >> it is not just republicans is what i am saying. chuck schumer has been very step tepid in his support for him. >> because chuck schumer, on these types of middle east questions, is closer to lindsay graham and john mccain than he is to in many ways to barack obama. >> many senators, democrats and...
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i have known chuck hagel for years. i have the greatest sense that he is perhaps of all the candidates fa and away the best one and certainly the president has ratified that in the enormously important statement he made today in supporting his nomination of chuck hagel to be the next secretary of defense. >> ambassador, one of the criticisms is, first of all, that he has not been strong enough supporting israel. in fact, has been too critical of israel. i wanted to give you a chance to address that. also that the real job for defense secretary coming up is going to be budget cutting. getting your arms around a huge organization. i know he is a very successful businessman, but what in his background would make him the best person to find the ways to cut spending and develop the political coalitions with all this accurate simple now from the republican party sf how is he going to get the support in congress to cut things from the pentagon budget? >> there are two important questions here. i address the fiscal one just ver
i have known chuck hagel for years. i have the greatest sense that he is perhaps of all the candidates fa and away the best one and certainly the president has ratified that in the enormously important statement he made today in supporting his nomination of chuck hagel to be the next secretary of defense. >> ambassador, one of the criticisms is, first of all, that he has not been strong enough supporting israel. in fact, has been too critical of israel. i wanted to give you a chance to...
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he's chuck hagel. >> chuck knows war is not a distraction. he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do when it's absolutely necessary. my frame of reference, he has said, is geared towards the guy at the bottom who is doing the fighting and the dying. >> senator hagel, though, may not have an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a one-time political ally who once considered hagel as a running mate. i have serious concerns about the positions senator hagel has taken on a range of critical issues in recent years which we will fully consider in the course of the confirmation process. he's talking about iran, his willingness to consider cuts to the budget, and perhaps his pro -pro pro-israel support. >> i'm a united states senator, not an israeli senator, but my first interest, i take an oath of office to the constitution. >> lindsey graham said his former colleague would, quote, be the most antagonistic secretary of defense toward israel in the
he's chuck hagel. >> chuck knows war is not a distraction. he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do when it's absolutely necessary. my frame of reference, he has said, is geared towards the guy at the bottom who is doing the fighting and the dying. >> senator hagel, though, may not have an easy confirmation. here is the reaction today from senator john mccain, a one-time political ally who once considered hagel...
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you have chuck hagel. you have brennan. i mean, i think that is also part of the pitch that they're going to make on the hill to -- for these nominations is that this is going -- think about this as the team not just the individual. >> one thing, though, i would add -- >> it's a lot of white men, but that's okay. >> what i would add is the reason they were -- part of why they were not willing to have the fight over rice, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with susan rice is benghazi. that ties back to the president and hillary clinton. there is -- it's not a perfect scenario. whereas here it's you're opposing hagel and that has nothing do with me. >> susan rice went to the hill, and it did not go well. there was some sort of a dry run, and it did not go well, and there's some sense that she took herself out of the nomination as well. we can't with stand this. how much do you think hagel's comments about richard hormel, i believe, who was going to serve as the u.s. ambassador to lucks emberg and questioned h
you have chuck hagel. you have brennan. i mean, i think that is also part of the pitch that they're going to make on the hill to -- for these nominations is that this is going -- think about this as the team not just the individual. >> one thing, though, i would add -- >> it's a lot of white men, but that's okay. >> what i would add is the reason they were -- part of why they were not willing to have the fight over rice, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with...
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john mccain and others praise senator chuck hagel years ago. we'll take a look at the republican problem there. democratic senator will join us to talk live about the latest on hagel and brennan. >>> protests outside the white house, over john brennan's nomination as cia director. why aren't people talking about the controversy surrounding him more? >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> helping people recover and rebuild, this's what we do. >> now, let's bring on tomorrow. >> the ad campaign is called thank you america. that's what aig is saying publicly after being rescued by the bailout. so why is the insurer now considering suing the u.s. government? you can join our conversation on twitter. what can we do with a brand new year, and a room that needs refreshing? we can work with a new collection of carpet that proves durable can be softer than ever. we can get for less and spread that softness even further. turns out, we can do even more than we thought we could. because this is the year of doing. more saving. more doing. tha
john mccain and others praise senator chuck hagel years ago. we'll take a look at the republican problem there. democratic senator will join us to talk live about the latest on hagel and brennan. >>> protests outside the white house, over john brennan's nomination as cia director. why aren't people talking about the controversy surrounding him more? >> for the american people. >> thank you, america. >> helping people recover and rebuild, this's what we do. >>...
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big fans of chuck hagel. there was a time, joe made this point yesterday on the show, when chuck hagel's brand of republican reform policy and national security outlook was the mainstream of the party. he was vetted for vice president for -- by dick cheney for george w. bush in 2000. he was enough in the mainstream of republican thinking not that long ago, the last republican administration considered for the vice presidential slot. the party has moved far to the right. that's part of what's happened and chuck hagel has not moved with it. part of what's happening, some sense a lot of republicans talked about the israel question, a personal pique in the case of some people and john mccain may be one of them. >> really? >> joe made that point yesterday. there's some people in washington who personally don't like chuck hagel. they may actually like him personally but he rubbed some people the wrong way in the course of doing politics in d.c. what do you think is going on here with someone like senator mccain say
big fans of chuck hagel. there was a time, joe made this point yesterday on the show, when chuck hagel's brand of republican reform policy and national security outlook was the mainstream of the party. he was vetted for vice president for -- by dick cheney for george w. bush in 2000. he was enough in the mainstream of republican thinking not that long ago, the last republican administration considered for the vice presidential slot. the party has moved far to the right. that's part of what's...
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and happy new year to you, as well. >> to you, too. >>> and from chuck hagel from the supporters of chuck hagel to opponents, bing west and hagel, both of them are combat vets but that is where the similarity ends. he's going to join us on the half hour on why he is opposed to chuck hagel for defense secretary. >>> if you got your paycheck on friday and you noticed it was a little smaller, thank the expired payroll tax holiday. guess what else is coming in 2013? higher prices for just about everything on the daily menu, the menu of life. christine romans is here to tell us not only what they are but what we can do about it. start with the grocery store. >> make a list, right? you hear that all the time. your grandmother did it. things are -- prices of things are rising. starts with corns and grains. remember the drought of last summer? also global demand. corn, corn feeds in to -- you use it to feed animals, right? use it to make cereal and snack foods and corn syrup and to feed animals so meat prices likely going to be up 3% to 4%. pay more for the hamburger and already seeing people sta
and happy new year to you, as well. >> to you, too. >>> and from chuck hagel from the supporters of chuck hagel to opponents, bing west and hagel, both of them are combat vets but that is where the similarity ends. he's going to join us on the half hour on why he is opposed to chuck hagel for defense secretary. >>> if you got your paycheck on friday and you noticed it was a little smaller, thank the expired payroll tax holiday. guess what else is coming in 2013? higher...
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chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >> both vietnam veterans. >> both vietnam vets, decorated heroes and they were really close. then they started splitting over the questions of the use of force. then they split, of course, when barack obama ran for president. chuck hagel's wife endorsed barack obama when he was a candidate. chuck hagel stopped short of it. lots of republicans don't believe hague sl a republican, by the way. mitch mcconnell, leader of the republicans in the senate yesterday hold his fire, as jim was pointing out, hold his fire. didn't come out against the nominati nomination. everybody has their own po
chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >> both vietnam veterans. >> both vietnam vets,...
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chuck hagel is a thoughtful person. he comes to his conclusions by analysis, not by knee jerk reaction or saluting any particular color. and i think that's why the president selected him. i think he'll work very, very closely with john kerry, who is a man of a similar thoughtful nature. and i think it's a powerful team. >> former national security adviser brent skowcroft, thanks, we appreciate it. >> february 15th is the x date as one bipartisan group when the government will hit its borrowing limit and when we'll see the next big government showdown over the deficit itself. the republicans have been saying they have leverage in the upcoming debt ceiling debate. but a growing body of evidence hidden in plain sooigt suggesting republican leaders are coming to -- may not be able to execute it. sir, it's great to have you with me this morning. what happens to the leverage that republicans said they had coming up in the next fight? is perception really not reality? >> no, i actually think they have a great deal of leverage.
chuck hagel is a thoughtful person. he comes to his conclusions by analysis, not by knee jerk reaction or saluting any particular color. and i think that's why the president selected him. i think he'll work very, very closely with john kerry, who is a man of a similar thoughtful nature. and i think it's a powerful team. >> former national security adviser brent skowcroft, thanks, we appreciate it. >> february 15th is the x date as one bipartisan group when the government will hit...
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the big story tonight is the president's nomination of chuck hagel. i think the fair thing to do is to give this nomination a solid chance. let's see if he's the kind of person to give this enormous responsibility. personally, i think the attacks on him have been pushed hard by the right wing. the right wing doesn't like his approach to military action. they're raring to go. he's restrained, skeptical of what war can achieve, like anwar sadat, yitzhak rabin. the g.i.s have to do the actual fighting. so when you watch the hearings, think of the americans out there on post tonight all alone in a place far from home. give some thought to the possibility they'd like to have a pentagon chief who knows just what that's like. and that's "hardball for now," thanks for being with us. the ed show with ed schultz starts right now. >> good evening and welcome to new york. the republicans are wining about the president's choice for defense secretary. tonight a reminder of who won the election and why this is the perfect guy. let's get to work. >> chuck hagel is th
the big story tonight is the president's nomination of chuck hagel. i think the fair thing to do is to give this nomination a solid chance. let's see if he's the kind of person to give this enormous responsibility. personally, i think the attacks on him have been pushed hard by the right wing. the right wing doesn't like his approach to military action. they're raring to go. he's restrained, skeptical of what war can achieve, like anwar sadat, yitzhak rabin. the g.i.s have to do the actual...
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a lot of republicans don't like chuck hagel. chuck hagel for years now has criticized the iraq war. he's criticized virtually every view john mccain has had about foreign policy. and john mccain's a leading figure in the republican party on foreign policy. so it's not surprising to me. what you have to see is how well the white house defends this pick. right now this is a pick that doesn't have a lot of friends on either side of the party. ultimately democrats are going to listen to what barack obama says about his own cabinet. another thing important to mention here is like matt was saying a bit is, take the john brennan pick. the john kerry pick. obama's trying to surround himself with people he really is friends with and likes. the first term was people like hillary clinton, jim jones, bob gates. they're big names. those aren't necessarily obama allies. brennan, hagel, kerry, susan rice, these are really people obama knows and is close to. that's what he's trying to build for his second term. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california. always good to
a lot of republicans don't like chuck hagel. chuck hagel for years now has criticized the iraq war. he's criticized virtually every view john mccain has had about foreign policy. and john mccain's a leading figure in the republican party on foreign policy. so it's not surprising to me. what you have to see is how well the white house defends this pick. right now this is a pick that doesn't have a lot of friends on either side of the party. ultimately democrats are going to listen to what barack...
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with chuck hagel. list the criteria that a secretary of defense should have, especially if you're a republican. chuck is a republican. chuck hagel has it. how can they even say that they have reservations about chuck hagel or what are their reservations? >> john mccain made the statement, i don't want to overquote him but paraphrasing, it is a stretch to call chuck hagel a republican. republicans say despite the vote that occurred since he left the senate he has been a republican in name only. he hasn't really stayed with the party line. if you look back as recently as this last election cycle, he endorsed bob kerrey, a democrat over deb fischer, a republican in that senate race. most of the ire and scrutiny coming from republicans when it comes to chuck hagel. views in the middle east. on iran, on israel. that is the point that many of these -- many of these republican senators including many who sat on the senate armed services committee simply will not back away from. >> as far as -- you deal with a
with chuck hagel. list the criteria that a secretary of defense should have, especially if you're a republican. chuck is a republican. chuck hagel has it. how can they even say that they have reservations about chuck hagel or what are their reservations? >> john mccain made the statement, i don't want to overquote him but paraphrasing, it is a stretch to call chuck hagel a republican. republicans say despite the vote that occurred since he left the senate he has been a republican in name...
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chuck hagel said it, boom. he also said one time as united states senator, my number one job is to represent what's best for the people of the united states of america. not the government of israel. they're criticizing him for that. i gotta tell you something any united states senator who says the opposite is a traitor right? >> good point! >> bill: yeah, the other thing, this is real personal with me because jim hormel is one of my best friends. he was our ambassador to luxembourg. he was the first openly gay ambassador. appointed by president clinton in 1998. i was at the state department when jim hormel was sworn in bid a lynn albright -- by madeleine albright and tim wu, his partner was there when he was sworn in. we were all in tears watching that historic moment. at the time, chuck hagel said he didn't deserve to be ambassador because he was openly gay and that sent the wrong message. he wouldn't be able to represent all of the people of the united states. i resent that he said that. he was dead wrong but
chuck hagel said it, boom. he also said one time as united states senator, my number one job is to represent what's best for the people of the united states of america. not the government of israel. they're criticizing him for that. i gotta tell you something any united states senator who says the opposite is a traitor right? >> good point! >> bill: yeah, the other thing, this is real personal with me because jim hormel is one of my best friends. he was our ambassador to luxembourg....
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as i said, chuck hagel, we love him. we know him. >> a nice guy. >> the foreign policy community knows him and loves him. he is -- he's straight in the mainstream of u.s. foreign policy. but when he was on the hill, he had really sharp elbows. i didn't like him when he was on the hill. i like him now. now that i got to know him outside -- but he didn't -- he did not play well in that sandbox. >> i think he has the talents you're talking about. let's look at this resentment, heilmann and then take it to ben. we have to pull a sound bite from lindsey graham accusing him of not being mainstream to try and sum up this resentment. tell me what this resentment is. who is it? by whom? what's the problem? list them for me. >> will you please stop interrupting him? >> i want to hear the names. >> and just let him talk. >> graham, maybe mcconnell, maybe. >> the guy who screwed up earlier this morning. that was horrible. >> to me it comes down to two words. >> let mihim talk. this makes me sad. >> he gave appear interview in 2006 i
as i said, chuck hagel, we love him. we know him. >> a nice guy. >> the foreign policy community knows him and loves him. he is -- he's straight in the mainstream of u.s. foreign policy. but when he was on the hill, he had really sharp elbows. i didn't like him when he was on the hill. i like him now. now that i got to know him outside -- but he didn't -- he did not play well in that sandbox. >> i think he has the talents you're talking about. let's look at this resentment,...
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hagel, republicans versus republicans over chuck hagel is i will lustrative of what's wrong with the republican party. colin powell again. >> i think what the republican party needs to do now is take a hard look at its self and understand that the country has changed. the country is changing demographically. if the republican party does not change along with the demographic, they are going to be in trouble. >> bill: one other thing that colin powell said that's wrong with the republican party, not only this inability to keep up with changing times, if you will, but they are still carrying around to many of them, a strong breed of intel intelrance. >> there is also a dark a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. what do i mean by that? what i mean by that is: they still sort of look down on minorities. >> so this battle over chuck hagle, eric, is really a battle for the heart and soul of the republican party. isn't it? >> you know, i don't think there is any question that at this point, every battle these guys are fighting, you know in a way is a battle for the heart and
hagel, republicans versus republicans over chuck hagel is i will lustrative of what's wrong with the republican party. colin powell again. >> i think what the republican party needs to do now is take a hard look at its self and understand that the country has changed. the country is changing demographically. if the republican party does not change along with the demographic, they are going to be in trouble. >> bill: one other thing that colin powell said that's wrong with the...
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former republican senator chuck hagel. he's known as someone who's not afraid to chart his own course around washington. a hab about the thit that somet with political risks. here's barbara starr. >> reporter: chuck hagel's view of the world today was changed when he served with his brother tom in vietnam. hagel recalled being burned in a land mine attack. >> the pain -- and we didn't have any medics there with us. we did have some guys that were in pretty bad shape. the morphine, everything was used for them. >> the brothers saved each other's lives in combat. >> thinking to myself, if i ever get out of all this. i am going to do everything i can to assure that war is the last resort. that we -- a nation, a people calls upon to settle the dispute. the horror of it, the pain of it, the suffering of it. >> reporter: after coming home, hagel worked briefly as a newscastor. then had a career in business before entering public service as a senator from nebraska from 1997 to 2009. most recently he's taught at georgetown univers
former republican senator chuck hagel. he's known as someone who's not afraid to chart his own course around washington. a hab about the thit that somet with political risks. here's barbara starr. >> reporter: chuck hagel's view of the world today was changed when he served with his brother tom in vietnam. hagel recalled being burned in a land mine attack. >> the pain -- and we didn't have any medics there with us. we did have some guys that were in pretty bad shape. the morphine,...
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the problem with chuck hagel is not a phrase. the problem with chuck hagel is a consistent attitude. the next secretary of defense will be -- will likely to have deal with two basic types of issues at the top of the inbox. the first is managing a defense build down, if the sequester goes into effect, a very dramatic defense build down. you need someone with excellent military management experience, which chuck hagel does not have. i think you were too kind to him in the opening presentation. the second challenge will be the challenge of iran. we are probably coming to the extreme decision point where iran in the four years ahead. and chuck hagel has shown himself again and again very credulous on what you can achieve by negotiating with iran. at this point, almost everybody's eyes have been opened to the impossibility of arriving at a negotiated solution, and yet chuck hagel has insisted that such solutions are reachable with iran, hamas, and hezbollah. the question arises is he hard headed enough. is he tough minded enough? it i
the problem with chuck hagel is not a phrase. the problem with chuck hagel is a consistent attitude. the next secretary of defense will be -- will likely to have deal with two basic types of issues at the top of the inbox. the first is managing a defense build down, if the sequester goes into effect, a very dramatic defense build down. you need someone with excellent military management experience, which chuck hagel does not have. i think you were too kind to him in the opening presentation....
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let's take a listen. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot. he enlisted in the army and volunteered for vietnam. to this day he bears the scars and shrapnel for battles he fought in our name. we see a decorated combat veteran of character and strength. they see one of their own. most importantly, chuck knows war is not an abstraction. he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do when it's absolutely necessary. >> well, senator hagel paid tribute to the men and women in uniform at the announcement today. let's listen to the nominee himself. >> mr. president, i am grateful for this opportunity to serve our country again and especially its men and women in uniform and their families. these are people that give so much to this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. this is particularly important at a time as we complete our mission in afghanistan and support the troops and military families who have sacrificed so much over more than a decade
let's take a listen. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot. he enlisted in the army and volunteered for vietnam. to this day he bears the scars and shrapnel for battles he fought in our name. we see a decorated combat veteran of character and strength. they see one of their own. most importantly, chuck knows war is not an abstraction. he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do...
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well, that proposition can be tested by the history of chuck hagel. what was the most important decisions he had to make as a senator? on the iraq war. he reported to have been opponent of the war. after the war went bad and public opinion had turned against it. on the crucial decision of launching the war at a time when the future is indeterminant and time information is necessarily incomplete, he voted to go to war. then when he had the second most important decision on the surge which saved the war and created the conditions where iraq, where we could leave iraq with a democratically elected politically neutral state, he has showed was against it. he led the fight against it. he said that it was morally, strategically wrong. so big decisions he had to exercise as senator, he had it wrong by his own rights on every single count. >> bret: as we have done here. we have taken a lot of time on the hagel nomination. brennan nomination is up, too. steve, perhaps the hagel nomination overtakes that and brennan doesn't face as much scrutiny if it was solo,
well, that proposition can be tested by the history of chuck hagel. what was the most important decisions he had to make as a senator? on the iraq war. he reported to have been opponent of the war. after the war went bad and public opinion had turned against it. on the crucial decision of launching the war at a time when the future is indeterminant and time information is necessarily incomplete, he voted to go to war. then when he had the second most important decision on the surge which saved...
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. >>> president obama plans to nominate chuck hagel as the next secretary of defense. reaction is already pouring in, some positive, some not. we'll have much more on the story in a moment. >>> pakistani intelligence officials say a suspected u.s. drone strike killed 17 people today. today's attack follows two suspected u.s. drone strikes last week that killed 15 people, including a taliban commander with ties to the pakistani military. demonstrators protested against drone strikes thursday and burned a u.s. flag. >>> parents in new york are on edge tonight waiting to hear if their children will have to find other ways to get to school tomorrow morning. the union representing the city's school bus drivers is threatening to strike in a dispute over job protection. they're concerned about a new bus contract that could mean some drivers would lose their jobs. if there is a walkout the city will provide some bus riders with free metro cards to ride public transit. in other cases, parents can apply for public transit refunds if they send their children to school by taxi. >>
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it's just chuck hagel. because, again, so far outside that bipartisan foreign policy mainstream. >> all right, cornell, what does this say about the president, that he refused to back down? >> well, it says that the president -- he's leading. i mean, this certainly -- chuck hagel is someone who fits the sort of description of what the president wants to see more of in washington. just reaching across the aisle. touching republicans. you know, reaching across the aisle and saying, you know what, you don't have to play this partisan political game all the time. here is someone who has been a republican senator from a red state who agrees with me on some issues but disagrees with me on other issues. but we can work together. he's someone who has my confidence. again, like colin powell said. so a bold independent thinker. another thing, here's it is guy who can be the first enlisted man who can ever be secretary here. here's someone who gets the troops. when the president looked at what the troops are going thr
it's just chuck hagel. because, again, so far outside that bipartisan foreign policy mainstream. >> all right, cornell, what does this say about the president, that he refused to back down? >> well, it says that the president -- he's leading. i mean, this certainly -- chuck hagel is someone who fits the sort of description of what the president wants to see more of in washington. just reaching across the aisle. touching republicans. you know, reaching across the aisle and saying,...
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i am a fan of chuck hagel as a human being. politically we couldn't be more different than on two or three issues. as a human being i'm a big fan of him when he first went off off the reservation on the iraq war. obviously his biggest opposition will be the bureaucratic inertia in the pentagon. it's an enormous place. it's fueled by the defense industries more than the actual military themselves. and that revolving door between the upper levels of the military and defense contractors. one thing you will get from chuck hagel, you will get a concern for the men and women on the ground. that will be the most important part of having chuck hagel as a secretary of defense. he's the first infantry grunt to hold that job and i remembers what it's like. if there are think-tank cowboys who think they're going to go to the president and try to sell him on a war they'll have someone pushing back really hard and they'll have to kick down the doors. >> jennifer: i love that about him. it's the most salient quality about someone who is going
i am a fan of chuck hagel as a human being. politically we couldn't be more different than on two or three issues. as a human being i'm a big fan of him when he first went off off the reservation on the iraq war. obviously his biggest opposition will be the bureaucratic inertia in the pentagon. it's an enormous place. it's fueled by the defense industries more than the actual military themselves. and that revolving door between the upper levels of the military and defense contractors. one thing...
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chuck hagel has some of the problems that he does. keep in mind, he is as -- we said in intro, he is obama's choice, and, of course, republicans are going to object to him. there's a certain amount of partisan ranker. >> that's a problem, right? once it's completely obvious that they would try to block him because he is obama's choice, but this is not sfw that is traditionally done. we have a statistic somewhere here. do you know how many cabinet nominees have been rejected since 1789? 2%. >> wow. >> the understanding is when a president wants someone to be in his cabinet, you let the president have that person in his cabinet, but michael eric dyson, are we witnessing the dawn of a new era where everything the man wants to do is -- >> i teach hagel, marx, and freud, they're just great people. the reality is that chuck hagel is an independent-minded person. the republicans want your cake and eat it too. you want somebody who is independent and saying, look, i disagree. gently but forcefully. here's a man who has been full of integrity
chuck hagel has some of the problems that he does. keep in mind, he is as -- we said in intro, he is obama's choice, and, of course, republicans are going to object to him. there's a certain amount of partisan ranker. >> that's a problem, right? once it's completely obvious that they would try to block him because he is obama's choice, but this is not sfw that is traditionally done. we have a statistic somewhere here. do you know how many cabinet nominees have been rejected since 1789?...
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i've served with chuck hagel. i know him. he's a patriot. >> stephanie: lindsey graham said that hagel would be the most an taggist inic secretary of defense in our nation's history. you know why? it makes you an israel hater. >> it makes more sense. >> stephanie: in twat 2000, he criticized sarah palin saying she lacked foreign policy credentials. it would be a stretch to consider her president. what? [ cuckoo clock chimes ] >> it turned out it was a stretch for her to be qualified for vice president. >> or anything for that matter. >> stephanie: he would make a great secretary of state. who said that? >> norman rockwell. >> stephanie: john mccain said that. he said he's not really a republican by his standards which are new apparently. jim, who said hagel was a respected leader in america who served his country admirably with honor and distinction? >> sarah palin. >> stephanie: no. [ buzzer ] also john mccain. of chuck hagel. >> interesting. when did that change? [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: who said chuck hag
i've served with chuck hagel. i know him. he's a patriot. >> stephanie: lindsey graham said that hagel would be the most an taggist inic secretary of defense in our nation's history. you know why? it makes you an israel hater. >> it makes more sense. >> stephanie: in twat 2000, he criticized sarah palin saying she lacked foreign policy credentials. it would be a stretch to consider her president. what? [ cuckoo clock chimes ] >> it turned out it was a stretch for her to...
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senator chuck hagel. in four hours, president obama is expected to name hagel as his choice for defense secretary. that nomination could be bruising. hagel is known for being fiercely independent and the loudest outcry could come from hagel's own fellow republicans. they say he's the wrong choice to oversee the military. the combat veteran, who was badly wounded in vietnam, is openly wary of armed conflict. >> the pain, and we didn't have any medics there with us, and we did have some guys, again, that i think were in pretty bad shape. the morphine and everything was used for them. >> you know, if i ever get out of all this, i am going to do everything i can to assure that war is a last resort. that we, a nation, a people, calls upon to settle a dispute. the horror of it, the pain of it, the suffering of it. >> hagel won two purple hearts for his service in vietnam. he also saved the life of his brother, who was fighting alongside him. hagel has also long called for cuts in defense spending. national corr
senator chuck hagel. in four hours, president obama is expected to name hagel as his choice for defense secretary. that nomination could be bruising. hagel is known for being fiercely independent and the loudest outcry could come from hagel's own fellow republicans. they say he's the wrong choice to oversee the military. the combat veteran, who was badly wounded in vietnam, is openly wary of armed conflict. >> the pain, and we didn't have any medics there with us, and we did have some...
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the first one getting attention is chuck hagel for defense secretary. how big of a bat doll you think this is. where do you think it will play out? >> this is the biggest of the five nomination fights we know about. maybe a vote against hagel. few republicans, none come to his defense. few republicans might vote for him. he has a contentious personal background. hard, acerbic and hard to work with. more important than that is the record on the issues. opposed to iranian sanctions. he opposed the iraq surge. defended dialogue with hamas. refused to join in a letter calling on e.u. to condemn hezbollah. he had a pejorative comment to jewish lobby. he has taken stances that indicateed he is less than supportive of the relationship with israel. >> there are two key democrats that could factor in how this goes. one is new york democratic senator schumer. >> he is staying quiet on the fight. talk about the real oppositio opposition. i think there will be some tough hurdles to get over with republicans. but i don't think there is enough democratic fight to sto
the first one getting attention is chuck hagel for defense secretary. how big of a bat doll you think this is. where do you think it will play out? >> this is the biggest of the five nomination fights we know about. maybe a vote against hagel. few republicans, none come to his defense. few republicans might vote for him. he has a contentious personal background. hard, acerbic and hard to work with. more important than that is the record on the issues. opposed to iranian sanctions. he...
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. >> chuck hagel. big discussions. unlike with susan rice where she hung fire for weeks and was dropped, or she dropped herself, this time he stuck with hagel after all the heat against him on -- some from the gays and the left and the neo-cons and where is he heading? put a guy out there in your face as howard said? >> he thinks that he can win. first of all it wouldn't look good if he backed down after what happened to susan rice and i think he thinks he can win this. and there are certain things about chuck hagel's resume that set with what he wants to do with defense. cutting defense spending, that sort of thing. it makes sense so he's going to stick with his pick. chris: is hagel, barack obama with a war record, is he really the guy that -- that obama has been hiding, more liberal on foreign policy? >> i believe that's right and he wouldn't have picked him in the second term unless he thought they were in sync on the larger philosophy of what they want. for the american force in the world. chris: a real statement
. >> chuck hagel. big discussions. unlike with susan rice where she hung fire for weeks and was dropped, or she dropped herself, this time he stuck with hagel after all the heat against him on -- some from the gays and the left and the neo-cons and where is he heading? put a guy out there in your face as howard said? >> he thinks that he can win. first of all it wouldn't look good if he backed down after what happened to susan rice and i think he thinks he can win this. and there...
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the thing you hear about chuck hagel when you call around, chuck hagel didn't do lunch, literally. he didn't go to the weekly lunches. >> and you served with him. do you think that there's -- usually, there's always deference to former senators. >> there's not that much deference. but i don't think it will be a cakewalk. they know what they're doing and i think they make a tremendous bet. but i also think that, you know, the thinks that they're bringing up, he's addressed them. he's a veteran. people know that he is not going to be the one that one that makes -- you know, he's not going a rogue defense secretary. he's going to be advising the president. >> do you think there would be a filibuster, though? do you think republicans would filibuster? or do you think that maybe that will be a bridge that republicans who don't vote for him but vote to move him? >> i'm going to echo senator schumer and say it's too soon. my bet would be against the filibuster and confirmation. >> meaning, he'll basically say, democrats are going to confirm. but republicans are not going to prevent the vo
the thing you hear about chuck hagel when you call around, chuck hagel didn't do lunch, literally. he didn't go to the weekly lunches. >> and you served with him. do you think that there's -- usually, there's always deference to former senators. >> there's not that much deference. but i don't think it will be a cakewalk. they know what they're doing and i think they make a tremendous bet. but i also think that, you know, the thinks that they're bringing up, he's addressed them. he's...
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chuck hagel endorsed mr. obama in '08, and it is always so transparent, and i just don't think they can quit each other. and i'm sorry to be such a jerk about it. but they are just such jerks. and we have got to get -- why are these people still being interviewed on these sunday shows? >> stephanie: you are absolutely right. they are always very troubling. [ suspense music ] >> stephanie: he was not troubling during the bush administration, but now he is very troubling. >> he's trouble. [♪ mysterious music ♪] >> stephanie: clearly he is. >> trouble in river city. >> stephanie: right? >> yes. >> stephanie: totally. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: we played a little donald trump in right-wing world. a warning has been issued to donald trump. he said we live in a country where you can say anything you want as long as you don't harm anyone. but i think his personal life will corrupt what he does on the show. if he becomes somewhat hurtful, we'll figure out what to do with that? oh, now? >>
chuck hagel endorsed mr. obama in '08, and it is always so transparent, and i just don't think they can quit each other. and i'm sorry to be such a jerk about it. but they are just such jerks. and we have got to get -- why are these people still being interviewed on these sunday shows? >> stephanie: you are absolutely right. they are always very troubling. [ suspense music ] >> stephanie: he was not troubling during the bush administration, but now he is very troubling. >>...
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what do you think of chuck hagel? >> i said it earlier in the break, if he's upset the left and the right, perhaps he's doing something right. for me, i think the confirmation process is going to be very important. i think that his stance on iran and israel needs to be flushed out. to me, even as a moderate republican, he's still perhaps a little bit too much of an appeaser and doesn't make us stronger or weaker. i this i it's going to be a very spirited confirmation process. i think it's going to be great theater. there's no doubt about that. but in the end, i think he's going to get it. >> explain to me why mitch mcconnell, who not long ago was saying hagel is one of the premier foreign policy voices and one of the giants in the united states senate. he stands with him philosophically 90% of the time. he's an indispensable member of the republican team. that was then. now he says, he'll be given a fair hearing, and you have john mccain saying, to allege that hagel is somehow a republican, that's a hard one to swallo
what do you think of chuck hagel? >> i said it earlier in the break, if he's upset the left and the right, perhaps he's doing something right. for me, i think the confirmation process is going to be very important. i think that his stance on iran and israel needs to be flushed out. to me, even as a moderate republican, he's still perhaps a little bit too much of an appeaser and doesn't make us stronger or weaker. i this i it's going to be a very spirited confirmation process. i think it's...
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the chuck hagel nomination is a fight that they hope they can win. winning can beget winning. they'll have a big fight over the debt ceiling and these are fights that could blow up. the president will be more combative with republicans than thethe conciliatory let's all find a solution we can agree on. >> john: so we won't be compromising on his compromised compromises. you wrote, the best way to get what he wants his staff says, is to create pressure from the outside through campaign-style events like the one he staged in during the fiscal cliff negotiations. have we ever seen a president campaign with tons of cheering middle class folks behind him in iowa, have we ever tried that to get things moved across the aisle in the second term? >> i think not the way we're going to see from president obama. george bush, again he went on his social security tour in 2005 trying to revamp social security which was blocked by in congress. we'll see more of what we saw in december. i think we're going to see more of that whether it's the debt ceiling or gun control or immigration. he feel
the chuck hagel nomination is a fight that they hope they can win. winning can beget winning. they'll have a big fight over the debt ceiling and these are fights that could blow up. the president will be more combative with republicans than thethe conciliatory let's all find a solution we can agree on. >> john: so we won't be compromising on his compromised compromises. you wrote, the best way to get what he wants his staff says, is to create pressure from the outside through...
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everybody seems to feel that chuck hagel if he's the guy that the president wants, chuck hagel is going to go on to confirmation. are you tilting at windmills here? >> certainly hope not, because the secretary of defense is one of the most important positions in the executive branch after the president and the vice president, if you look at chuck hagel's record in the senate you'll see he's outside the bipartisan mainstream consensus of other senators. he voted against iran sanctions when the vote was 96-2. he refused to sign a letter condemning antisemitism on the rise in russia when 99 other senators signed it. 89 sepbsz -dz voted for sanction in syria he was not one of those records. you'll see how far outside the bipartisan mainstream consensus on foreign policy and national security he has been. jon: there has been a lot of discussion about the fact that congress has a declining number of military service veterans, you are one as we mentioned. you fought in afghanistan and iraq. do you think that that qualification is important for a member of congress? >> i think being a veteran,
everybody seems to feel that chuck hagel if he's the guy that the president wants, chuck hagel is going to go on to confirmation. are you tilting at windmills here? >> certainly hope not, because the secretary of defense is one of the most important positions in the executive branch after the president and the vice president, if you look at chuck hagel's record in the senate you'll see he's outside the bipartisan mainstream consensus of other senators. he voted against iran sanctions when...
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nobody doubt's chuck hagel ses personal courage. that is not at issue. what is at issue his political judgment and what is at issue the signal his nomination sends to some of our adversaris. one of the reasons why we have a problem with iran they don't take us seriously when the president says we'll not let iran get a nuclear weapon. you can hardly think of someone who better sends the message of weakness to the iranians than the nomination of chuck hagel who is consistently opposed sanctions. talked about engagement with iran and opposed the possibility of a military strike which he would be in charge of if he becomes the secretary. jon: as you well know in his first term, the president when campaigning for it, argued we should have direct talks with our enemies, people like iran. jon: this is a nominee who reflects the president's own position. >> that was four years ago and we've been undertaking those talks and presumably there has been some evolution in the president's thinking when he says containment is not an option with iran. when he says all op
nobody doubt's chuck hagel ses personal courage. that is not at issue. what is at issue his political judgment and what is at issue the signal his nomination sends to some of our adversaris. one of the reasons why we have a problem with iran they don't take us seriously when the president says we'll not let iran get a nuclear weapon. you can hardly think of someone who better sends the message of weakness to the iranians than the nomination of chuck hagel who is consistently opposed sanctions....
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chuck hagel is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. i don't know why he thinks that it takes a republican to be nominated two times out of three. >> michelle fourneau, her job as under-secretary was historically high level achievement, for somebody in the defense world. when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in that setting to have a woman at that high level? >> right. i think it absolutely did in several different ways, number one, she was just a real inspiration for a lot of young women and really encouraged them to go into jobs that were seen as being in male-dominated realms, secondly, she really brought in a terrific crew of women into leadership positions in the pentagon. you know, dramatically increased the number of women in the positions. and when you think about the rolodex, you tend to think of people you know, and men tend to know more men, and women know more women, so getting people in that high-rankin
chuck hagel is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. i don't know why he thinks that it takes a republican to be nominated two times out of three. >> michelle fourneau, her job as under-secretary was historically high level achievement, for somebody in the defense world. when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in that setting to have a woman at that high...